[Hypothèses] Qui est Red John ?

PTJane a écrit:Il me semble qu'il y a écrit "He is man" et non "He is mar"

"I forgive your brusqueness. I can tell that you have been visited by great tragedy."
―Ellis Mars to Patrick Jane
Ellis Mars is a character of Red Moon.
He's a pretend psychic, clairvoyant and astrologyst. Mars is, in fact, a con-man, but help Patrick Jane, CBI and police in the case of a serial killer, that's reveal as Todd Johnson. Jane uses him as a trap for Johnson. He appear as a "bumbling" and very few smart.

Mars in Red John suspects

His name is in Jane's List of Suspects to be Red John. In Red John's Friends, "He is Mar" is written on the bathroom wall by Jared Renfrew, second

Red John's male victim, and friend of Red John's friend (Orville Tanner, deceased father of Sheriff Hardy). Jared was killed in Mexico, in a motel of Tijuana, with a mexican hooker, where they speak spanish. Mar could be short for Mars. "He is mars" transalted in spanish is "El es Mars." El es mars sounds like Ellis Mars, who had info on RJ and was going to talk before being set on fire.

Or not He is Mar but l l e is Mars, a mistaken writing (inverted letters) from "Ellis Mars". Ellis has a red rose with red beams and an eye ("immortal Eye" of Tyger) on his first job-card, and Red John's favourite poet and painter, William Blake, writes poems into said of "planet Mars" (red planet) and "blood beams" ("America: a prophecy") and a poem called "The Sick Rose". Jane looked at the second card and thought about "Tyger, Tyger" (the poem told by Red John, The Tyger), words that, at the end of the episode will be recited by Todd Johnson before his death, and shortly after he recited those words he was set on fire alive by Red John's mole (Craig O'Laughlin). Johnson was deny to kill Mars, that Jane had tell to him as the killer of Todd's girlfriend, and he fell in to Jane's trap.

Mars is scared by police and Johnson, and escaped away, after Jane reveal him as a fraud. Ellis, previously, at Todd's house, looks in a strange way Johnson himself.
Had, probably, the same age of Orville Tanner and he can be link to mysterious dr. Towlen Morning, Carter Peak's doctor.
Mars put his right hand on Jane's shoulder, like what the masked Red John did, with his left hand, at the end of Red Sky in the Morning.

Mars told: "Without doubt, there can be no faith." And "faith" said Anthony Gupta and Lorelei Martins, two of Red John's disciples. Rebecca said that without darkness, there's no light (the meaning of The Tyger).



The stupid appareance of Mars could be an "act" like Tommy Olds, for protect his secret identity. As Timothy Carter tell: "I have many names. Some people call me Red John".
"Mars", "Carter", "Red John" recall also the character of fantasy "John Carter from Mars", the Red planet; the first novel of his cycle is: "Under the Moons of Mars" or "A Princess of Mars". Mars recall Red as Roy.
In the Cash in Motion list, that Red John want, there are, closer, the name of Ellis, Colin (similar at actor of John Carter) and Johnson, Danielle.

Mars' car (it seems an old Chevrolet of 70s-80s) is similar at the presumed Red John's car (maybe a Dodge or another car of 70s) in the ending of Always Bet On Red. Maybe is a lover of ancient cars, like Patrick Jane.
In 5x08 motel there's a picture with a sort of moon (recall Red Moon, Face of the Moon, The Face on Mars) and in Lorelei's cabin

there's also a picture with moon. The night of Jane's family murder is a night of full Moon.
At minute about 23:03 in 4x01, in the Carter's house there's a man from behind, not seen by Jane and Lisbon, that had the same appearance and hair of Mars.
Then, Sam Bosco had a file with the address of a Court, at attemption of mr. "Ellis Lamor". Jane saw what file Bosco had and it read: "Superior Court - L.A. County - Statements case # 42-53-2A - Attem. (or Attor.) Lamor Ellis". This phrase contains the names: Ellis Mars, Roy Cutiron (Tagliaferro) Pro.

Dumar (son of Orville, french name)= du Mar (s)= of Mars (in french) Martins= Martin's= of "Martin" (little Mars). Carter/Fake Red John= John Carter from Mars Ross (original name of Carter in Heller's script)= similar "ruber" "rufus" latin for red (as Roy in gahelic)= name of two craters: one on Moon and other on Mars.

Planet Mars in alchemic symbolism is linked at element of "Iron" (cut iron, Tagliaferro in italian; in italian "rosso", similar at "Ross", means "red"). The sybol of Iron is the same of planet Mars and "Male" (this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Mars_symbol.svg).

Johnson has the corpses of his victims in a triangle, like the shape of an imaginary triangle formed by three vertices, or three spatial objects, planet Mars and its two satellites, Phobos and Deimos (greek "Fear and Terror", sons of Ares/Mars and Aphrodite/Venus in classical mythology).

Ellis is a Scottish name, but can be descent by hebrew language, similar to Elisabeth: "God's promise". Timothy is from greek: in God's honour. John in hebrew: God had mercy.

bull a écrit:Je viens de lire les 19 pages du sujet et il y a un élément qui n'a pas été évoqué dans les argumentations alors qu'il me parait essentiel.

Lorsque la secrétaire se fait tuer via le poison, son visage s'illumine et donc s'est presque certain que c'est en personne qui la tue et pas un complice. Hors cet individu est habillé en "simple policier".

J'en déduis donc deux possibilités :

- soit c'est vraiment un "simple policier" qui a accès au CBI
- soit c'est un inconnu déguisé

Mais le plus important c'est que ca ne peut en aucun cas être quelqu'un de "connu" et donc ceux qui sont les "principaux" suspects (Jane, Mineli, Laroche, le procureur, le médecin légiste, VP, ...) car il n'aurait pas pu passer inaperçu dans ce "déguisement" auprès des autres policiers.

Je pense que cette scène est primordiale afin de supprimer bcp de suspect! Et principalement tous ceux de la liste du carnet de Jane. Cette liste reprend pour moi les plus grosses "fausses pistes" des scénaristes. Sauf p-ê Marsburn...

Je suis complètement d'accord avec toi Bull sur le fait que c'est impossible que ce soit quelqu'un de connu, merci car je n'avais jamais remarquée cette scène de cette manière la.

luffynsm a écrit:-Rj dans la saison 1 ép.11 a communiqué avec jane sur internet par le pseudo Dr. "..." je ne connait plus la suite du pseudo mais en inversant les lettres sa donné Dr. Red john donc peut-être est-ce un indice par rapport a sa profession " docteur ( de toute sorte je vise rien particulierement "

luffynsm a écrit: est brun et a des cheveux donc éliminons les minelli et berthram...

luffynsm a écrit: est brun et a des cheveux donc éliminons les minelli et berthram...

Eneris a écrit:Le poème s'appelle The Tyger

luffynsm a écrit:

Eneris a écrit:Le poème s'appelle The Tyger

" A brace of Partridge " d'aprés les dire de plusieurs personnes sur internet

Eneris a écrit:

luffynsm a écrit:

Eneris a écrit:Le poème s'appelle The Tyger

" A brace of Partridge " d'aprés les dire de plusieurs personnes sur internet

Je viens juste de chercher, apparemment A brace of Partridge est un tableau de William Blake et non le poème (http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/William-Blake/A-Brace-Of-Partridge.html) mais c'est vrai que pour le coup ça fait quand même une grosse coïncidence qu'une des oeuvres de Blake porte son nom... Ca me parait quand même un peu gros que ça soit Patridge de toute façon (étant donné que tout le monde le soupçonne ;D) Par contre la théorie sur Royston :)